"Handel Aviation operates aerial photography aircraft only. Cloud seeding is usually carried out by sprinkling particles from a plane. 27 Jul 2022, 11:08 AM UTC Cloud seeding in Australia. Both those waterways flow freely into the Brisbane River below Wivenhoe, which is filling at an incredible rate. The conventional cloud seeding material can only be activated at a very high relative humidity in atmosphere in the cloud, such as greater than 75% relative humidity. We also assess the Snowy Schemes reservoir storage levels to ensure additional snowmelt from cloud seeding will not contribute to flooding downstream, Snowy Hydro said. Companies covered in Cloud Seeding Market are RHS Consulting, Ltd North American Weather Consultants, Inc. UAE is in the arid climate zone, and the government has already taken the initiative of this UAE research program for re-enhancement science. Welcome, Dr. Zou. There are up to 15,000 homes flooded in the city, with 1,544 people in evacuation centres in the south-east. As floods devastated Australia's east coast, social media posts accused a pilot of causing the disaster through cloud seeding, a weather modification technique that involves dropping a rain-inducing chemical into clouds. Compared to the current flood, the factor is almost threefold. Today, together with the National Center of Meteorology of the UAE, we can see the application of these new seeding materials in real operations very quickly across UAE to increase the rainfall. History of cloud seeding in Australia 7.5 Americans made the discovery in 1946 that pellets of dry ice could induce precipitation from clouds. . Dr. Zou: Yeah. Cloud seeding is used in parts of Australia to enhance rain, snowfall and water security. The flight was collecting images for aerial maps provided to Australian mapping company NearMap, he said. I used an eight cubic meter chamber with controlled humidity and temperature. These particles act as additional condensation nuclei. The silver iodide causes water droplets in the clouds to form ice crystals that become heavier and fall faster, releasing precipitation. Since silver iodide and not elemental silver is the cloud seeding material, the claims of negative environmental impact are disputed by peer-reviewed research as summarized . She was awarded a grant by the UAE Research Program on rain enhancement science from 2016 to 2019. Satisfactory evidence in relation to this might be a flight path, combined with evidence of a permit or . This is part of APs effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Cloud seeding is still practiced in the Snowy Mountains in NSW today, carried out by Snowy Hydro Limited. This has been an absolute, fantastic conversation. Water vapour gathers around the particles and eventually falls as precipitation. Flashes into the high RF appear on RADAR sometimes in the same geometric modulation patterns spoken about in HAARP research papers they appear coordinated with other stations, and not all stations in the same area produce the flash. 'Surprisingly, they have talked about cloud seeding and weather manipulation on the mainstream media so it's coming from multiple sources now. NOTE: Dry ice used for cloud-seeding = solid carbon dioxide = CO2. There is devastation in northern NSW as Wilsons River rises two metres above previous flood records, inundating the town of Lismore. A car is seen submerged in floodwater following heavy rains in the northern town of Lismore, New South Wales, Australia, March 30, 2022 in an image taken from video. (Audience submitted: David Bradley)"The extent to which cloud seeding has exaggerated the flood is still . What are conventional cloud seeding materials, and then how does nanotechnology come into play? This will provide the people with a safety net to fall on, in the event of a flood. For more information about us and the show, please check out our website at technologyreview.com. The fact that the damage and loss of life were so great this time is due to the fact that many more people live in . Domensino says while several features in the atmosphere combined to deliver the rain, climate change likely made the event worse. That aircraft was capturing images of the flood damage at the time, according to the statement. This is done by firing small particles (usually silver iodide) into clouds. Most research has found that AgI, when dispersed in cloud seeding, has no adverse health effects on the environment. So they form super cool vapor and crystallize into ice particles. Dr. Zou's research interests include applying nanotechnology and membrane science to the development of low energy and high efficiency novel desalination and water purification solutions. A device at the top of the chamber releases the seeding materials. Most commonly used to increase precipitation as a drought management technique, cloud . The more people who know about this bulls**t the better.'. As you know, cold clouds with sub-zero temperatures are also present in the atmosphere. Theres a small one, a medium one, and a large one. Hotter atmospheric conditions and oceans are driving much heavier rainfalls, scientists say. Dr. Zou: The cloud seeding materials used today have been around for many decades. What kind of effect can cloud seeding potentially have on a country, like the UAE, which typically only records four inches of rain in a year? The small one could be 20 meters and the large one could be like a building. Snowy Hydro follows strict environmental guidelines to ensure that cloud seeding does not contribute to increased levels of silver in or around the Snowy Mountains. In the midst of an historic megadrought, states in the American West are embracing cloud seeding to increase snow and rainfall. Through a reverse image search, we found that 7News Melbourne posted the original broadcast on their Facebook page on June 10, 2016, with the caption: "Residents in southern Tasmania want to know why cloud seeding was conducted the day before severe flooding hit the region." Cloud seeding is perhaps the ultimate silver bullet, in which literal silver in the form of silver iodide is infused into clouds, causing ice crystals to form and water to condense into rain or snow. Mr Bartolo's followers claimed aircraft leaving 'chemtrails' in the sky across NSW is how the cloud seeding process is being administered. 'The Gold Coast and surrounds is currently under a government weather warfare attack,' he told his army of devoted followers. Laurel: In the past, one of the challenges scientists encountered when researching cloud seeding was the lack of a simulation environment. Conventional water resources such as rivers, lakes, and groundwater have become very limited, which is driving scientists and engineers to look for alternative water resources, says Dr. Linda Zou, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Khalifa University of Science and Technology. Cloud seeding has strict requirements. 2023 ACC TOURNAMENT SEEDING AS OF FEB. 26. Cloud seeding is a real thing. An atmospheric research expert told The Associated Press that cloud seeding would not change the dynamics of a cloud enough to cause massive flooding. Steven Siems, from Monash University's School of Earth Atmosphere and Environment, is a cloud expert. Australia 05:57 31 Mar 2022 . Australia One Party (A1) - Update March 3, 2022. A dangerous and bizarre conspiracy theory is circulating that the devastating floods which have torn through Australia's east coast are part of a 'government weather warfare attack'. Everything from wind speed, air movement and updraft, or a current of rising air, can affect a storms strength, Tessendorf said. Some of the natural sources include bushfires, volcanoes and dust storms, while artificial sources of condensation nuclei include industry emissions and cloud seeding operations. What are you working on now, and what are you thinking about next? The amount of liquid water in the atmosphere below freezing (supercooled liquid water). In Gympie, the towns central business district is inundated. Often they require minus 25 degrees or even lower. Artist depiction of cloud seeding drones. Everything from wind speed, air movement and updraft, or a current of rising air, can affect a storms strength, Tessendorf said. This nanoengineered shell core structured material can be activated at much broader relative humidity conditions such as about 65%. [2] [3] Around 85,000 people were displaced by the flooding or requested to leave their homes by authorities. On social media, they blame the extreme rainfall on "cloud seeding" and "weather manipulation". customer-service@technologyreview.com with a list of newsletters youd like to receive. Through the advancement in nanotechnology and nanoscience, nowadays we are working to design and engineer cloud seeding materials with optimal properties to ensure water vapor condensation will occur effectively and maximize the rainfall achieved. They say it's all part of a government plan to "weaponise" the weather against its own people - a popular conspiracy trope that has been around for years. Dr. Zou: In the natural water cycle on the earth, the sun irradiates on the surface of our planet and the water on the surface is evaporated by the heat as the vapors. We build our cities on rivers for a reason it was good for transport and waste disposal but that also means we built on flood plains, Khan says. Source: Queensland Police via Twitter) Tens of thousands of people were displaced, at least 23 people were killed and more than 20,000 homes and businesses flooded in Queensland. At least 3,600 homes are flooded in Gympie. Hydro Tasmania (HT)s cloud seeding activities on 5 June had no impact on precipitation, with this conclusion having a solid scientific basis, stated the June 2017 independent parliamentary, Hydro Tasmania also denied that its flights were to blame and said in a, shows the operation had no measurable impact on rainfall on that day., Sarah Tessendorf, a project scientist at the Colorado-based. For one of the planes, only the nose and part of the propeller are visible, and the photograph appears to have been . What are the challenges with then deploying the material out in the real world? Laurel: Could you describe that weather chamber that you used in your experiments? The claims circulating online led to more than 100 threats being sent to Handel Aviation, despite it explaining the purpose of the flights on the contact page of the company's website. Yes, such type of applications. Why are you interested in this type of research? It's very promising to know more about the effects of this seeding material. Hundreds replied to his post with comments claiming 'the government' was using experimental technology to carry out 'cloud seeding' - a weather modification process that theoretically alters the microphysical state of clouds, causing rain. The government can also provide flood insurance for the people. That's it for this episode of Business Lab. BBC. The key factors of a successful cloud seeding operation include, first, identifying the suitable cloud for seeding. The most common particulate used in cloud seeding is silver iodide, which has a similar structure to ice crystals and helps supercooled liquid water droplets cluster together. The first three months of 2022 brought a year's worth of rain to Sydney. March 8, 2022 . Water vapor in the atmosphere can then adhere to the particles, and condense into raindrops or snowflakes. A decades old idea, with todays innovation, might be the answer to help drought-stricken countries and to fight climate change. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. This salt vapor then will recondense as very small particles. 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On the other hand, cloud seeding practice is to release artificial seeding materials as nuclei to initiate the water vapor in the cloud to condense into droplets and promote the formation of large droplets until they grow big enough to fall as rain. Read about our approach to external linking. Share. Social media users are also sharing a separate example to baselessly claim that cloud seeding played a role in flooding that happened throughout February and March in Queensland and New South Wales, leading to more than a dozen deaths. You can find out more about Snowy Hydros cloud seeding operations here. EPA. "They needed a shoulder to cry on and hear their story. We designed and fabricated a porous nanocomposite of 3D reduced graphite oxide and silica dioxide nanoparticles. The technique has been around for decades. Business owners in central Gympie scramble to get stock out of their stores and residents prepare to evacuate. Design thinking was supposed to fix the world. Play it now! The BBC censored the crowd booing Boris Johnson at the Queens Platinum Jubilee celebrations. Showers and #thunderstorms will develop across eastern and central #Vic and parts of northern #Tas on Wednesday, continuing across the region until the weekend extending into eastern #SA and western Vic as well.Latest forecasts: https://t.co/EGP9Qynjs3 pic.twitter.com/4dZwkN8TKM. As well as the rising river levels, the amount of rain falling locally causes flash floods all across the city and its outer suburbs as creeks swell, inundating areas that escaped the 2011 floods. Cloud seeding got its start in 1947, with General Electric scientists working under a military contract to find a way to de-ice planes in cold weather and create fog to obscure troop movements. There is already local flooding from the intense and incessant rain that is interspersed with violent thunderstorms. Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has expressed her concern over the impact of the floods as the state is inundated by rain. It will initiate from the thin water layer formed on the surface of the ice nuclease, and the ice will grow rapidly at the expense of the water vapor in the cloud. As Brisbane starts a long and costly clean-up, hundreds of cars are stuck on the main M1 highway to the south. (AP Photo/Rick Rycroft), Connect with the definitive source for global and local news. That is about three Sydney Harbours worth of water. Compared with the floods of 2011, Khan says this is about 50% more water into the dam in about half of the time. "The first stage of the project - an intensive data collection research component to improve the knowledge of cloud science in South-east Queensland, as well as a trial seeding component - commenced this week. Singapore should also build more drainage canals to effectively reduce the occurrence of . The United Arab Emirates have been hit particularly hard by this season's sweltering heat, recording a 51.8C this June (that . Thanks for listening. Experimental cloud seeding technology does actually exist and has been used in places like China and the UAE. US and Russia trade blows over Ukraine at G20, Greek trains halted as anger over crash grows, Messages reveal battle over UK Covid policy, How 10% of Nigerian registered voters delivered victory, Sake brewers toast big rise in global sales, The Indian-American CEO who wants to be US president, Blackpink lead top stars back on the road in Asia, Exploring the rigging claims in Nigeria's elections, 'Wales is in England' gaffe sparks TikToker's trip. Wivenhoe Dam Brisbanes main source of water and also a key piece of infrastructure to stop the city flooding starts rising rapidly from 58% capacity. Media reports estimated at least 22 . Nanotechnology can engineer material and design the material with well controlled size, shapes, and properties. Silver Iodide is safe to use in cloud seeding operations because it is found naturally in the atmosphere, soil and sediments of the Snowy Mountains region. Dr. Zou: As we know, the global water shortage has continuously intensified by rapid population growth and economic development around the world. The report did not find evidence to prove that the cloud seeding flight contributed to the flood. Sarah Tessendorf, a project scientist at the Colorado-based National Center for Atmospheric Research who leads the centers work on cloud seeding, told the AP that claims linking the process to flooding lack an understanding of how cloud seeding works. My guest today is Dr. Linda Zou, who is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Khalifa University of Science and Technology. "Those numbers tell us that this is an inexpensive way to help add water to the system. Some social media users are spreading false theories about what has caused multiple floods in Australia in recent years. As floods devastated Australia's east coast, social media posts accused a pilot of causing the disaster through cloud seeding, a weather modification technique that involves dropping a rain-inducing chemical into clouds. (Photo: Flooding in Loganlea, Queensland on Feb. 28, 2022. It does not have the ability to suddenly produce all kinds of heavy rain and snow, Tessendorf said, adding, That process is just not really set up to take a cloud that may not be an effective precipitation producer and suddenly make it into the most efficient flood-producing cloud.. Another added: 'Absolutely nothing natural about the rainfall in the past 5 months. The tiny vapors rise into the atmosphere without condensation nuclei, which are small particles. CLAIM: A rain-enhancing process known as cloud seeding caused historic flooding in Tasmania, Australia, in 2016 and along Australias southeastern coast this year. So far, there are no reports of cloud seeding or floods in Tasmania in 2022. The global water shortage has continuously intensified by rapid population growth and economic development around the world. The higher you move up to the atmosphere, quickly moving into subzero and very cold. Mr Bartolo, a former bodybuilder who claims to be an army veteran, also promotes a range of other unhinged conspiracies including that vaccines and 5G are weapons, the world is flat, space is fake, the government is run by freemasons, and that the water supply is being poisoned. In partnership withUAE Pavilion Expo 2020 Dubai. who leads the centers work on cloud seeding, told the AP that claims linking the process to flooding lack an understanding of how cloud seeding works. Cloud seeding can also, in some cases, cause the cloud to grow larger and last longer than it would have without the modification. According to some laboratory studies, a high concentration of AgI can affect smaller organisms like algae and bacteria when applied consistently over a long period of time. An Australian aviation company says it has received more than 100 threats following an online conspiracy theory that its pilots unleashed a flooding disaster by cloud seeding.. 7 July 2022. Nobody has ever seen this amount of rain in such a short period of time over our south-east catchment, says the Queensland premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk. An amusement ride is seen inundated by floodwaters in Sydney. The first cloud seeding trials were carried out by Kraus and Squires (1947) near Sydney. There's no evidence to suggest it played a role in the 2022 floods in southeastern Australia, either. Conspiracy theorists claim the motive for'elites' carrying out a 'weather attack', which submerged communities around Byron Bay and Lismore, was to move people into 'smart cities'. AN AUSTRALIAN AVIATION company says it has received more than 100 threats following an online conspiracy theory that its pilots unleashed a flooding disaster by cloud seeding. An atmospheric research expert told The Associated Press that cloud seeding would not change the dynamics of a cloud enough to cause massive flooding' (https://bit.ly/3NwnqJq). Ice nucleation is important. Brisbane has two features that make it susceptible to flooding. Cloud seeding involves modifying a cloud's structure to increase the chance of precipitation. We wont run out of key ingredients for climate action, but mining comes with social and environmental ramifications. In just four days, the equivalent of eight months' worth of rain fell, paralysing certain areas of Australia's largest city. We will revisit our evidence and verdict and conduct additional research to verify new information. Climatology and Geophysics Agency BMKG said the great flood that hit Jakarta in early 2020 was "one of the most extreme rain events" since . It was a wall of water. The flight lasted an hour and 34 minutes over the Upper Derwent catchment, targeting Lake Echo. One patent is filed on the titanium dioxide, sodium chloride material for warm cloud seeding, and another patent is filed for porous graphite oxide, silica dioxide, nano compensated for cold cloud seeding. Of these four experiments, the Snowy Mountains saw statistically significant increases in rainfall during the experiment. The area of cooler air in the upper atmosphere drifts into the low pressure trough and starts to deliver record-breaking downpours over Brisbane and its surrounds. 'If you also know this, comment on your awareness of unnatural weather below. 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